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Post by s3swiss on Sept 7, 2010 16:56:01 GMT
 Here we go again! Hoping it will be a bit more 'incident free' than the last meeting. 4 races left to go.... Good luck to all those working to get their cars repaired in time. Any visiting series at this weekend?
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Post by aland on Sept 7, 2010 19:04:03 GMT
still trying to recover from the TOCA meeting lol
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Post by ianbru on Sept 7, 2010 19:14:43 GMT
Well, that's the bashes out of mine........ again  Hoping for a fairly damage free weekend this time....... although I said that the previous 3 times I've been out, to no avail  Good luck to everyone else in getting out for this one  |
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Post by NS-R on Sept 8, 2010 1:53:20 GMT
Ianbru - put in a quality qualifying lap and leave everyone behind - it's a good way of damage limitation (worked for me)!  Good luck everyone - stay out of trouble - I still keep an eye on the results here in HCMC. Cheers, Nick www.nicksandersonracing.com |
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Post by awsponsor on Sept 8, 2010 9:48:56 GMT
I wonder how many drivers will use the new and obviously approved BTCC technique of effectively just missing out the chicane altogether.  |
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Post by emicen on Sept 8, 2010 10:32:41 GMT
I'd expect none.
Theres no way we cut anywhere near as severe as that and penalties have already been dished out for it. I've done the chicane flat (i.e. not even the faintest lift from Macintyres all the way to Clarks) and even at that you dont get enough speed to clear the second half. Usually ground out the sill in the process. We pretty much have to flick left.
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Post by dagman16 on Sept 8, 2010 12:30:26 GMT
Having been on post at the chicane all last weekend, I can tell you that there is quite a dip just off the kerb on the second apex of the chicane so cutting that may not be good for your car or may throw into the gravel on the outside.
As for penalties, it does depend who you nominate to wipe out the floppy on the first lap though!!
David
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Post by Mike Hogg on Sept 8, 2010 12:48:59 GMT
 Should get a lump of concrete up there for the BTCC - I remember once getting the black and white flag for going over the chicane sideways (bit harsh as I was totally out of control before I even reached the entry! Always wondered what the observer was thinking at that point) yet the big boys can do whatever they like. |
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Post by emicen on Sept 8, 2010 15:30:47 GMT
Technically the BTCC boys have exemption from the blue book regarding cutting and contact. That is the root of all this BS quite frankly.
How they think the most publicised and followed tintop racing in the country can get away with that on special rules and it not filter down in to other series' is beyond me.
Correct me if i'm wrong but where the floppy should be is roughly in line with his passenger side headlight in that pic isnt it?!
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Post by awsponsor on Sept 8, 2010 18:16:26 GMT
Technically the BTCC boys have exemption from the blue book regarding cutting and contact. Eh? You sure about that? That seems bizarre especially given Gow is Chairman of the MSA and they write the rules! Well exactly.. |
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Post by XR2 Baz on Sept 8, 2010 19:37:44 GMT
Makes a mockery of the talking to we got earlier in the season about corner cutting. Same track, same rules...supposedly. It's like scoring a goal at the World Cup and the ref saying the ball didn't cross the line Baz |
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Post by Blair on Sept 8, 2010 19:47:08 GMT
Does it make it a mockery though Baz, because we were told that they (the SMRC) don't care what happens in Touring Cars. Think this was brought up as an example of excuses that drivers had come out with before.
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Post by dagman16 on Sept 8, 2010 23:58:12 GMT
Thing is the BTCC is nothing to with SMRC other than us providing most of the marshals.
The meeting is organised and run by BARC who provide the stewards and clerks of the course and they dictated on the corner cutting.
I believe we were to allow drivers 2 severe cuttings then they were to be reported on the 3rd but as almost every driver did it every lap once the floppy had been sent skywards, I have no idea how the observers kept count... if at all...
I suppose if everyone was doing it then nobody had an advantage!
I'm not trying to say it was OK, it was pretty bad as can be seen by that photo of the Honda! Also, it threw a lot of debris and dust on to the track which may have been the cause of so many F Renaults going off on Saturday??
Gave us plenty to sweep though!
David
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Post by dagman16 on Sept 9, 2010 0:00:56 GMT
Notice the Honda nearside mirror is missing! Both Hondas and others lost them by hitting the foam thingy at the chicane. A bit of one can be seen on the track!
David
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Post by emicen on Sept 9, 2010 8:18:49 GMT
Technically the BTCC boys have exemption from the blue book regarding cutting and contact. Eh? You sure about that? That seems bizarre especially given Gow is Chairman of the MSA and they write the rules! Blue book regs state: "2.2. Variation to Judicial Procedures. By sanction of the MSC the Regulations for the British Touring Car Championship are permitted to vary the judicial procedures in respect only of driving offences contrary to General Regulation 1.1.5 or 1.1.6 in order that: (a) Penalties not referred to in the these Regulations (the Blue Book) may be imposed. and/or (b) The structure of Appeals and consequential procedures permitted by the applicable Regulations for the Championship may be varied from that contained in these Regulations. 2.2.1. In the above event the current British Touring Car Championship Regulations will replace the part or parts of these Regulations that have been varied." Regulation 1.1.5 or 1.1.6 are: "1.1.5. Driving in a manner incompatible with general safety, and/or departing from the standard of a reasonably competent driver. 1.1.6. Any contravention of Flag or Light Signals (Q.5)." Hence how they get away with their "nudging him wide to start the pass" bollocks and corner cutting probably comes under the same banner. They vary their judicial proceedures in as much as you have to royally take the mickey before any action is taken. Makes a mockery of the talking to we got earlier in the season about corner cutting. Same track, same rules...supposedly. Baz TBH, what more amuses me about that was the way it was put across as "we're telling you this because Knockhill are right fed up of it and wont stand for it" etc etc. See pic above, would that be Knockhill's own Commercial Director doing exactly what we were told they would not be tolerating?! |
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