hope you dont mind me adding an opinion here but surely the away rounds to england are just too costly, for a start you have at least 2 nights accomodation for the driver and crew, diesel to shift the car and gear there and back plus the entry fees. yes the idea is great, different track etc but you must be looking at £400 before you turn a wheel
what about doing something in scotland like a sprint as part of the championship at kames, no risk of contact, all down to driver's speed and the place is only an hour from glasgow. friendly club that runs it too. the entry fees there are only about £60 a head and that gives you 4 runs, 2 praccy and 2 timed. it would possibly be less if the smrc hired the place for the day and has say fiestas, minis and another series there say about 50 cars in total. plus you can double enter using the same car
just my opinion, tell me to feck off if you want
opinions expressed here are my own, isnt that what forums are for lol
Hi Alan.... can't comment on your alternative ideas, but you're right about the awayday costs. For me it's absolutely not a case of not wanting to go as this was one I was looking forward to for months. If you stick another £200 onto your figure you'd be close to what I'd worked out the weekend would have cost (travel, accomodation, practice fee, entry fee, fuel). Even at that I'd still have gone, but the killer for me was having to find another £300 to fix the car after the shunt I had at the GT weekend. That bit, along with an expensive daughter and some unexpected house repairs means it's a no go.
XR2 now gone...... but as an Austrian once said "I'll be back!"
Are the Classics experiencing the same problem as XR2's?
How about amalgamating the Scottish XR's with the English Championship? I think it even says something that the English guys get offered 6 points just to go to Cadwell and their home base is Oulton - a good bit closer than Knockhill!
Would of loved to take the ST down to Cadwell but the cost is a major factor and I can punt that money elsewhere right now.
I'm amazed at how little some folks think it will be. Maybe I'm way off, but my sums are ...
Entry - £225 Car transport - £300 minimum if I can find someone to shift the car? Mechanics fees - £several hundred (sorry, don't want to divulge this - would be plain wrong) Tyres - £150 Race fuel - £40 Testing - £125 Accomodation - £150 minimum (2 nights) Fuel for own car - £100
I don't see any change out of a grand and prolly more than that ... sorry, but can't see how I can blow that on Caddy. Great track that it is, its not making much sense .. this is just a hobby after all, right?
The one away round I did in my XR2 career was by far the best weekend of the 4 years. Partly this was because the car was, for once, running like a dream, but mainly it was having the chance to race somewhere new and also there was a strong social element to the weekend (and I'm not talking about the awful Northallerton nightclub!). Several reports of that weekend, including mine, can be found here, and I hope that they get across how good the weekend was.
Secondly, the cost. It obviously is more expensive, and I totally understand everyone's issues about this. After all, if money wasn't a problem, I'd still be racing. But surely the cost comparison has to be against a Knockhill round, and on that basis:
- entry fee about normal - if you pay mechanics fees then I can't see these being much more than normal? - tyres & race fuel all normal - if you transport the car yourself (appreciate that this is a big if) then the only extra expense there is extra fuel for your road car, say £80 - testing seems to be £125, so from memory that might be £70 more than Knockhill? - accomodation say £150 as per DC's figures.
So, if my maths is ok, the away round costs £300 more than a weekend at the Hill. No small amount of money, but when you realistically look at what you spend through the year, I would just say to try, if you can, to go to at least one away round.
I'll back Norm up on that. There's always a good social side to these away rounds. Every round I've done at Croft has ended up in Amadeus on the Saturday night!
There's a good few staying at the circuit over the weekend.
I know it's a good bit dearer for these rounds, you can do what you can to bring the cost down. Given I have no mechanic's fees, the only additional cost is testing and fuel, plus accomodation if I decide not to slum it in the back of the van, I'm undecided yet.
Personally I'm more inclined to miss a Knockhill round to do the away round, plus there's 10 bonus points on offer!
Think the testing times also give you a lot more track time than knockhill and you won't regret it.
We are all staying in Caravans at the circuit to keep the cost down.. It was £180 for a good 4 berth caravan delivered and setup on Thursday then collected on Monday after we had left. Speak with Clive from Suntime caravans www.suntimecaravans.co.uk/ yesterday and he still had 2-3 left for hire but be quick.. Think he's away this weekend though.
Hope you all reconsider/find a way as we are all looking forward to both racing and the campsite shanagins.
I find that the away days are often the highlight of the year for those that go.
The combination of a new/different track adds spice to the racing and the socialising has become legendary in some cases. (Burnbrae Alien, Stewart Scots Cat, Stewart Scots Pole Position, ICR Glove Puppet are all tales that spring to mind)
You can economise by doing most/all your prep work before you go and fueling/spanner checking the car yourself.
If you are unlucky and damage the car there are normally enough guys there to assist in getting you back out.
If the budget is really tight you can forgo new rubber for one round.
Testing is not a 'must', you can learn a lot about the flow of the track on YouTube and from a borrowed circuit guide. (I'm sure it was Cadwell the our DC turned up on race morning and qualified 4th with no previous practices or track time)
Camping at the site can also save you some pennies, and bringing/buying your own booze at the supermarket helps too.
As Norm says it is not 'a lot' more than a Knockhill round and is an experience that you will always have to look back on.
The bonus 'attendance' points were sometimes the only points I scored all year ;D
C'mon guys, dig deep, max the credit card, throw out the cat/dog/wife and come down to join in a great weekend at Cadwell Park. Lets show them what good racing looks like.
Well said Charlie. I look back on my last visit to Cadwell in 2007 as the best race weekend I have experienced. It is good to get to know the guys you are racing with - at KH you turn up quali and race then off you go home.
To all ST drivers go for the Nationals. Great opportunity to race in a field of 20 plus unlike KH. We also need some fast Scottish drivers - if my performance last time out at Snetterton was anything to go by
Stewart Scott seems to be a common theme on the high jinks front.........